Adam Boulton Article In The Times

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kev667
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Post by kev667 » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:15 am

Stop making excuses, Tony Blair, and debate with your opponents, US-style

ADAM BOULTON

TURNOUT at the last general election was a record low. Most politicians wring their hands about voter apathy and stampede to endorse the latest get-out-the-vote stunt. Labour says that it wants to talk to the people rather than to media pundits during the coming election campaign. Yet the Government is spurning TV debates, the best chance for political leaders to make their case directly to millions of voters.





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Everybody agree say aye...

dodrade
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Post by dodrade » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:17 pm

Nice try Boulton, but no chance. A TV debate in this country would only happen if the polls were neck and neck and both main party leaders thought they could win the debate. Saying that, if a precedent were established then I think there would be one then every general election.

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Post by hamishnewhouse » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:41 pm

I defiantly agree.



The UK is a democracy, its only right that the leaders from the main political parties should engage in a televised live debate. It is good for democracy!



We, here in the UK, have a voter turnout problem. I feel that a televised debate would help to engage the "undecided voter" to turn out and vote.

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Post by lakewood » Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:15 pm

I wonder what kind of quality debate would happen. Because most of the British media and particularly 24/7 news is personality driven - and one of the main culprits repsonsible for the dumbing down is Sky news and its presenters - For example Kay Burley - Miss Lipgloss News 2005 - I doubt if I was a politician I would want to engage in such a television debate given the current standard of the British media - I think that until the media get away from 30 second soundbites and show that they can provide a platform where the level of discussion is higher than the reading age of The Sun - then maybe there would be a chance - So for me the media have to demonstrate that they can provide a responsible and mature platform to allow intellectual debate to take place. Until we leave the bearbaiting pit behind and ascend to another level then I would have thought the chance of such a debate taking place is small.

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Post by Newsroom » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:25 pm

lakewood+Jan 12 2005, 03:12 PM(lakewood @ Jan 12 2005, 03:12 PM)

I wonder what kind of quality debate would happen. Because most of the British media and particularly 24/7 news is personality driven - and one of the main culprits repsonsible for the dumbing down is Sky news and its presenters - For example Kay Burley - Miss Lipgloss News 2005 - I doubt if I was a politician I would want to engage in such a television debate given the current standard of the British media - I think that until the media get away from 30 second soundbites and show that they can provide a platform where the level of discussion is higher than the reading age of The Sun - then maybe there would be a chance - So for me the media have to demonstrate that they can provide a responsible and mature platform to allow intellectual debate to take place. Until we leave the bearbaiting pit behind and ascend to another level then I would have thought the chance of such a debate taking place is small.





I do not think this is a plausible reason when you look at the state of Fox News in the US.

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Post by Seamus » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:46 pm

May I say that the debate in the USA is not a debate at all, but about as contrived as you can get without actually writing a script. It is all about delivery, but not substance. Perfect, of course, for the mass middle-classes of the States!!



I would like to see one man, and one man alone host a proper debate in the UK, and no, he is not to be found at SKY NEWS, but over at the BBC and he is of course Jeremy Paxman.



In fact I'd like Jeremy Paxman to be PM. Period! Err....Full-stop!....rather....

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Post by rob237 » Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:14 pm

Seamus+Jan 12 2005, 04:59 PM(Seamus @ Jan 12 2005, 04:59 PM)





I would like to see one man, and one man alone host a proper debate in the UK, and no, he is not to be found at SKY NEWS, but over at the BBC and he is of course Jeremy Paxman.



In fact I'd like Jeremy Paxman to be PM. Period! Err....Full-stop!....rather....





Reckon the "one man alone" is fast approaching his 'sell by date'.



Certainly judging by his fawning and patronising interviews of Bill Gates and, more latterly JK Rowling, is anything to go by.



Recently, saw him attempt to ressurect the infamous 'did you threaten to sack him?' question with Howard, who immediately lashed back at him.



If he can no longer cope with 'pipple' such as Howard his career has to be on the wane!

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Post by eagleeye » Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:17 pm

I'm always really wary of journalists who become *bigger* than the stories they cover...hmm, Peter Spencer said something good about that being the end of a good journalist...wonder who he meant?!!!:)



I agree that the 'debates' in the US are completely over- choreographed; sort of like PM's question time on steroids for middle America or the Twilight Zone retirement belt. Would the Blighty version really be any different - be worth watching? Lakewood is hankering back to the good old days of non soundbite, non concentration span of 5 yr olds and non totally human interest broadcast news ( agreed, it used to be better; old bats like me can still remember 'real' news; I hate 'soundbite' TV). Esp in the Brit media, who take their cue from the US.... News AS Entertainment.

Having said that, no-one wants Goodbye Lenin newsrooms. Do they?



Hey, Sky's so glitzy on screen; has anyone got a photo of their aesthetically unpleasing exterior..."concrete box near Heathrow"? Is it blue and red too?

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Post by lakewood » Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:15 pm

Not so much hankering after the old days but I dont wish to be insulted with the level of debate that seems to pass for acceptable journalism today. I live in Germany - spend most of my day speaking German and for a long time the only english news/debate I could get in the evening was from long wave radio 4 - Then I got TV and this was only BBC world service or Sky news plus all the German programs of course - Now I have access to all BBC + Sky etc. However over the years the standard of debate has rapidly declined and i think this started when Sky News started - A kind of Sun TV - I missed then and still miss today the stimulus of logical argument based on facts - I abhore the personality driven search for award or sensation. I miss the craft of journalism that seemed to have be there before - seems to me that Sky news collects a certain style of person who believes his/her personality to be greater than the news he/she is reporting on - the latest example is the awful Kay Burley with the famous lipgloss reporting. I find that so sad.

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Post by eagleeye » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:39 am

Sky News i.m.o. was better when it first started and certainly intl coverage was far better (generally) in the mid to late 90s. It's hard running a news channel as they don't make money! I'm not sure - ok I am sure - they don't get the balance quite right sometimes in choice and presentation of stories. But all the media just love a big 'drama and event'. Not just Sky.



"Personality TV" - hate that too. But, well, there are a hell of a lot more of the "I'm a great, famous reporter" giant, huuuge egos and easy peasy lucrative book deals [on just about any subject] at the BBC than Sky. Look at the bookshelves at any Brit bookshop. No names, no lawsuits...

There are some terrific reporters at Sky who go unrewarded for high quality work. I agree with a lot of what you say, but not that sensationalism is exclusive to Sky or started with them or that the channel is riddled with airhead, lipgloss-adorned, publicity-seeking Fox types. Don't think that's fair at all.

However there are certain "reporters"...don't get me started



The Brit media in general - well, it's scary maybe, but this is what the bosses think we want....current affairs/analysis/serious discussion etc gets low ratings and the bosses think it's "boring" (viz ex BBC tsar, Mr G Dyke). It makes me laugh that mediagraun keep going on about how much 'better' the Beeb is than its rivals, TV news-wise. (I really like BBC radio). MG go on like working for Sky is some Faustian pact (yes, and Dyke's book deal was with ?? owned by ?? he he).

That's why I said you like the old days...ye ancient times of say, 10 years ago. I miss 'em too...(violins)..



Do you think the news will fuse with Reality TV? You could then vote off your most un-favourite presenter a la Germaine. Ahh, the thought of those two together's quite a good one ....innit?!

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